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What If There Is Never A Place Called Heaven And Hell

Bassey

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Yes, I'm a born Christian, grown up with Christian faith, but sadly lately I'm thinking. What if there is no heaven or hell, what if there is never a place called heaven and hell, that all this is ABOUT ONE DIE AND GO TO HEAVEN OR HELL are just religious imagination


What if there is never a place called heaven or hell? that all mankind end after one die so is important that we learn best how to live a better-fulled life. Come to ask, who has ever gone to Heaven or hell?, yes I hear stories about how someone died and went to hell, then God gave him or her a second chance to live on earth again

So God or nature returns him or her to earth to tell the people on earth that Heaven or hell is real, just as recorded in the Holy Book, the Bible

So I May Still Be Wrong Thinking If There Is No Heaven Or Hell, But What If I Am Right? Knowing too well am not the only one thinking this lately

What if there is never a place such called Heaven or hell, or I'm the only one having these feelings, no I don't think so, the thread is everywhere online, and more and more people are asking ''what if the presume heaven or hell are just religious imagination''

What if it is all that when people die, they are just dead? No consciousness, no eternity, no heaven, no hell, just when someone dies he or she is done forever

So you start to feel, that there is nothing to lose if there is no heaven or hell except life itself, the life you have failed to live to the fullest while alive here on earth

Then the need for all humans to learn how to live, and enjoy life when alive, knowing too well that life is for the living until death call. I understood that we as a human cannot stop death, science also with all its advancement cannot stop death, so every living thing must die someday

As a human, I understand the power of existence, so there is nothing we could do except live our best life while we have it here on earth.

All that humans got is to live the good life here on earth, there might be no Heaven and no hell as promoted by religion, this is my personal opinion based on what I have been thinking lately, which I may be wrong


You know am just a human, am not perfect, even with all my Christianity upbringing, this feeling started some few years ago, possibly in early 2020 during the pick of pandemic, though am still a Christian, yes I Still believe in eternity, but this feeling what if there is no a place call heaven or hell is real in me and have refused to go away


All mankind must learn to understand that humanity and nature, far above religion, most of the crises we are having today around the world are somehow ignited by religion. Just feel like writing, with thanks to World Forum Live admin, please made this widely read, am open for discussion, please use the comment section to reply to this thread.

 
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mrwil65

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We are uncomfortable talking about hell. When we talk with Chris-
tians, it may be tolerable because we believe we are exempt from
hell based on our response to God’s faithfulness in Jesus Christ.
The discussion turns a corner, however, when we begin thinking of loved
ones, family members or close friends, who do not share our Christian
faith. Their eternal fate causes us great anxiety. For years we may pray
for their salvation and try to explain the gospel to them with little or no
results. We cannot bear to consider their eternal separation from God, or
from us.
Most Christians believe that hell will be a place of suffering and ever-
lasting torment for those who have died without Christ. They believe that
this teaching is from the Bible, though the Bible is far from expansive on
this subject. Hell, as the place of weeping and gnashing of teeth, is not
mentioned in the Old Testament. The term “hell” derives from “Hades,”
a Greek term that appears only ten times in the New Testament. Yet to
understand the meaning of Hades in those passages, we should first ex-
plore their background in the Hebrew beliefs about the afterlife expressed
in the Old Testament.
OLD TESTAMENT B ACKGROUND
The Hebrew word “Sheol” is used sixty-five times to denote the place
of the dead. An early belief was that all the dead descend to Sheol (Job
7:9), which is a region in the depths of the earth (Psalm 86:13) that is filled
with darkness and gloom (Lamentations 3:6) and silence (Psalm 115:17 Gates or bars prevent its prisoners from escaping (Isaiah 38:10; Job 17:16).
Twenty times when Sheol is mentioned, death is mentioned in the same or
previous verse in similar language; the two become practically synony-
mous.
Here we find no conception of life after death. Dead persons become
mere ‘shades’ as they descend to Sheol, where they remain only until they
fade from the memory of those still living. This explains why having chil-
dren was so crucial; for in many instances they are the only ones who will
continue to remember and thereby grant a bit of existence to their de-
parted parents.
In later times belief in resurrection and eternal life grew. At the resur-
rection the soul would be raised from Sheol, the body would be raised
from the grave, and the two would be reunited. God’s judgment of the
person would follow. Accordingly, Sheol became only a temporary abode,
or a resting place, for all souls after death and before the resurrection
(Isaiah 26:19; Daniel 12:2).
By the New Testament period, the idea of eternal punishment in Sheol
had emerged. Sheol had become an abode for the wicked dead only; the
righteous dead went immediately to heaven (or paradise, which is the re-
stored Garden of Eden).
This developing concept of Sheol should not be confused with “Ge-
henna,” a term that appears eleven times in the Old Testament and literally
refers to the valley of Hinnom (or, valley of the son of Hinnom), which is
located south of Jerusalem (Joshua 15:8; 18:16; Nehemiah 11:30). The val-
ley of Hinnom was infamous as a place of Baal worship (Jeremiah 32:35),
but more so as a place of child sacrifice to the god Molech. Though child
sacrifice was an abomination to the God of Israel, both King Ahaz and his
son, King Manasseh, reportedly made their sons “pass through fire” (2
Chronicles 28:3; 33:6). Later when Josiah became king and implemented
his religious reforms, he defiled Gehenna so that child sacrifice could no
longer be practiced there (2 Kings 23:10).
According to tradition, after Josiah desecrated the altar at the valley
of Hinnom, or Gehenna, it became a continually burning garbage dump
for the city of Jerusalem. The prophet Jeremiah proclaimed that the valley
of the son of Hinnom would become, in the time of God’s judgment, the
valley of Slaughter because of all the people who would be killed and cast
into its fires (Jeremiah 7:30-34). As the idea of life after death continued to
develop, Gehenna’s fires became a metaphor for the place of punishment
for the wicked, which might occur either at death or after the resurrection
and final judgment.
So, originally Sheol was a place for all the dead, but it came to be un-
derstood as a place for the wicked dead. Gehenna, though it was literally
a valley once notorious for child sacrifice, became a metaphor for fiery
judgment for the wicked. As the New Testament era dawns, there is no unanimity of opinion about what happens to the individual after death; all
of these views, as well as others, are current.
NEW TESTAMENT TEACHINGS
The early view of Sheol echoes through the Apostle Peter’s sermon at
Pentecost (Acts 2:27,31). Peter declares that Jesus was not abandoned to
Hades (Sheol) to “experience corruption,” or to fade from existence. Here
we find the concept that every individual who dies descends to Hades,
which is not a place of
torment, but the natural
abode of the dead.
Just as death and
Sheol were companion
terms in the Old Testa-
ment, they also appear
together in the New Tes-
tament. In the book of
Revelation, Hades is men-
tioned four times, and
each time it is connected
with death. Jesus declares
that he has the keys of
Death and of Hades
(1:18); presumably he acquired these when he descended into Hades and
conquered it at his own death. Interestingly, in the other three passages in
Revelation, both Death and Hades are personified. They ride on a pale
green horse and are given authority to kill one-fourth of the earth’s popu-
lation (6:8). Death and Hades give up the dead that are in them, though
there is no mention of whether these dead people are righteous or wicked
(20:13); they are merely the dead who are now to be judged for their
deeds. Finally, Hades and Death themselves are thrown into the lake of
fire, which is the second death (20:14). All of these references seem to fol-
low the earlier concept of Hades (Sheol), as the place where all individuals
go after death.
When Peter recognizes that Jesus is the Messiah, he responds, “You
are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades
will not prevail against it” (Matthew 18:18). This echoes the Old Testa-
ment thought that Sheol had gates to prevent the shades from escaping.
Jesus says that the gates of Hades (or death) will not have power over the
church, which is to say, the gathered community of disciples who belong
to him. Even as Jesus has the keys to the gates of Hades (Revelation 1:18),
here he is the one who determines which dead are captured in Hades.
In Jesus’ parable of the rich man and Lazarus, angels carry Lazarus to
Abraham’s bosom (presumably meaning Paradise), while the rich man is tormented in Hades (Luke 16:19-31). This separation of the wicked and
righteous after death represents the later view of Hades (Sheol). Likewise
in Jesus’ warnings to the unrepentant cities, Hades is not a place for all of
the dead, but only for those who do evil (Luke 10:13-15; Matthew 11:20-
24). Jesus says that Capernaum will not be exalted, but rather “will be
brought down to Hades” in judgment.
Thus, the New Testament offers no single account of Hades; in some
passages it is an abode for all of the dead, and in other passages, a prison
for the wicked.
The other Old Testament term, “Gehenna,” occurs eleven times in
Jesus’ teachings recorded in the synoptic gospels, for a place of fire where
God casts those who are judged to be wicked. Several of these refer to cut-
ting off a member of one’s body—an eye (Matthew 5:29; 18:9; Mark 9:47),
hand (Matthew 5:30; Mark 9:43), or foot (Mark 9:45)—rather than for the
whole body to be “thrown into hell (Gehenna)” and “go to the unquench-
able fire.” Jesus describes Gehenna as the “hell of fire” (Matthew 5:22;
18:9). We are not to fear anyone who can only kill the body, but the one
who can destroy both body and soul in hell (Matthew 10:28; Luke 12:5).
Jesus asks how the scribes and Pharisees will avoid the judgment of
Gehenna, and he calls them the children of hell (Matthew 23:15).
In describing the tongue’s capacity for wickedness and sinfulness, the
book of James calls the tongue a fire whose flame is “set on fire by hell.”
This is the single reference to Gehenna outside of the synoptic gospels.
Other words or descriptive phrases used in the Bible for the abode of
the dead inform our understanding of hell. In the Old Testament, we find
the “pit” (Psalm 16:10), “Abaddon” (Psalm 88:11), the “grave” (Psalm
88:11), “death” (Psalm 6:6), “the depths of the earth” (Psalm 95:4), the
“dust” (Job 21:26), and “the land of silence” (Psalms 94:17). Some descrip-
tions in the New Testament are “under the earth” (Philippians 2:10), “the
bottomless pit” or “the abyss” (used nine times in Revelation), “the lake of
fire” (Revelation 20:10), “the outer darkness” (Matthew 8:12), “the deepest
darkness” (Jude 13), and “Tartaros” (2 Peter 2:4). In addition to these
terms, there are numerous other allusions.
In the New Testament, then, Hades is the “provisional place of the
ungodly between death, resurrection, and final judgment” while Gehenna
is the “eternal place of the wicked after final judgment.”
Unfortunately
no distinction is drawn between Hades and Gehenna in most English
translations of the New Testament; the two are conflated and rendered
simply as “hell.”
 
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